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Imhotep Khem	Posted - 2004.12.27 15:42:00 - [1] There is an easy way to tell wether or not to use a shield extender or a recharger. Rechargers give 15% rate increase. The rate increase you get from a shield extender is equivalent to its size vs your current shield size. So if your extender is 15% of your current size, then use the extender. I'd say use it down to about 10% as well since its a. going to give you more shield up front. b. going to give you a larger sweet spot. And of course that is why it has more fitting requirements. ____ If your not dyin' your not tryin'.
Imhotep Khem	Posted - 2004.12.27 15:42:00 - [2] There is an easy way to tell wether or not to use a shield extender or a recharger. Rechargers give 15% rate increase. The rate increase you get from a shield extender is equivalent to its size vs your current shield size. So if your extender is 15% of your current size, then use the extender. I'd say use it down to about 10% as well since its a. going to give you more shield up front. b. going to give you a larger sweet spot. And of course that is why it has more fitting requirements. ____ If your not dyin' your not tryin'.
Imhotep Khem	Posted - 2004.12.27 16:10:00 - [3] Edited by: Imhotep Khem on 27/12/2004 16:12:47 When you say PDU, I assume you mean PDS. My logic over when to use shield extenders also applies to the PDS. The PDS gives you 7.5% recharge rate while the relay gives you 20%, so the recharger is ahead by 12.5%. But the PDS gives you 4% shield hp bonus. That is also a 4% recharge rate bonus (If it were not they would have to reduce the recharge rate to compensate, which they do not, so it is ). So now the recharger is down to 8.5% more recharge rate. But again, the larger shield size gives you a larger sweet spot, and more shield to start out with. Its hard to argue with 8.5% but its a valid trade off if you can fit stronger weapons since I believe strong offence beats defence in general. ____ If your not dyin' your not tryin'.
Imhotep Khem	Posted - 2004.12.27 16:10:00 - [4] Edited by: Imhotep Khem on 27/12/2004 16:12:47 When you say PDU, I assume you mean PDS. My logic over when to use shield extenders also applies to the PDS. The PDS gives you 7.5% recharge rate while the relay gives you 20%, so the recharger is ahead by 12.5%. But the PDS gives you 4% shield hp bonus. That is also a 4% recharge rate bonus (If it were not they would have to reduce the recharge rate to compensate, which they do not, so it is ). So now the recharger is down to 8.5% more recharge rate. But again, the larger shield size gives you a larger sweet spot, and more shield to start out with. Its hard to argue with 8.5% but its a valid trade off if you can fit stronger weapons since I believe strong offence beats defence in general. ____ If your not dyin' your not tryin'.
Imhotep Khem	Posted - 2004.12.28 04:54:00 - [5] Edited by: Imhotep Khem on 28/12/2004 04:55:49 Edited by: Imhotep Khem on 28/12/2004 04:54:36 Originally by: Dust Puppy It's a nice method although you don't use 15%. 15% reduction in time gives you 1/(1-0.15) = 1.176 or 17.6% increase in recharge rate. Ahh so you've done the math then? Because the module description says 'recharge rate' and rate is units/time. If it had said 'recharge time' then I would use your equation. Is the module mis-described? p.s. i was wrong, rechargers give 10% rate increase not 15%. ____ If your not dyin' your not tryin'.
Imhotep Khem	Posted - 2004.12.28 04:54:00 - [6] Edited by: Imhotep Khem on 28/12/2004 04:55:49 Edited by: Imhotep Khem on 28/12/2004 04:54:36 Originally by: Dust Puppy It's a nice method although you don't use 15%. 15% reduction in time gives you 1/(1-0.15) = 1.176 or 17.6% increase in recharge rate. Ahh so you've done the math then? Because the module description says 'recharge rate' and rate is units/time. If it had said 'recharge time' then I would use your equation. Is the module mis-described? p.s. i was wrong, rechargers give 10% rate increase not 15%. ____ If your not dyin' your not tryin'.
Imhotep Khem	Posted - 2004.12.28 14:48:00 - [7] To Pottsey: Yes, it was a given that a PDS is going to give you lower shield pps. pds gives you more "Power," and if you are able to take advantage, us it, if not go back to relay. The only reason to talk t2 or named items in a technical discussion of one item vs. another would be to brag...Always I talk T1 standard items. Sorry for the poor forum format but if I use any brackets in my post the server just hangs... ____ If your not dyin' your not tryin'.
Imhotep Khem	Posted - 2004.12.28 14:48:00 - [8] To Pottsey: Yes, it was a given that a PDS is going to give you lower shield pps. pds gives you more "Power," and if you are able to take advantage, us it, if not go back to relay. The only reason to talk t2 or named items in a technical discussion of one item vs. another would be to brag...Always I talk T1 standard items. Sorry for the poor forum format but if I use any brackets in my post the server just hangs... ____ If your not dyin' your not tryin'.
Imhotep Khem	Posted - 2004.12.28 14:56:00 - [9] To Dustputty: I worked out the damage mod ROF effects a few days ago and its not the same. The change is on the numerator, not the denominator. I just checked the cap power relays and they do alter only the time and not the capacity. Its not the first time CCP has had problems with The King's English... ____ If your not dyin' your not tryin'.
Imhotep Khem	Posted - 2004.12.28 14:56:00 - [10] To Dustputty: I worked out the damage mod ROF effects a few days ago and its not the same. The change is on the numerator, not the denominator. I just checked the cap power relays and they do alter only the time and not the capacity. Its not the first time CCP has had problems with The King's English... ____ If your not dyin' your not tryin'.

Imhotep Khem	Posted - 2005.01.08 00:40:00 - [11] Edited by: Imhotep Khem on 08/01/2005 02:50:11 Yes deserves sticky. I changed my position on passive shielding. Shield power relays will generate more shields than PDS will generate cap, or any other non-shield nerfing cap generation scheme. So over time the passive shield will be better. I just hate floating around like I'm dragging an anchor... ____ If your not dyin' your not tryin'.
Imhotep Khem	Posted - 2005.01.19 03:44:00 - [12] I dont think tis is workin for Minmatar too well. I cant get my Rupture into any respectable setup vs. active shields. I also can not get my tempest into any kind of setup. Perhaps its because I wont fully commit. I did once, and honestly, I just can't sit in the middle of nowhere floating around because I have no AB or cap. Be nice if I could have a cap injector and an AB on there. It just takes too much passive shielding to equal the active shielding on Tempest and Rupture. ____ If your not dyin' your not tryin'.

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